Still, no good leads materialized. He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. The womans whereabouts were relayed to law enforcement in Ross Township last year, Deputy Chief Brian Kohlhepp said. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. Thats my life.. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! Patricia Cole, a veteran copy editor whose sharp eye, quick wit and kind heart made her a cherished colleague at NPR and other news outlets, died on Friday at age 46, The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. We've received your submission. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? Unlike most people who stayed on the streets all day, she maintained a neat, attractive appearance, wearing makeup and a dress or skirt each day. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. Or did they? They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. The real killer is Rorrer! That's counting the nine bullets you put in Sarah. You took my life. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. Yaser Said was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of his two daughters Amina and Sarah Said in 2008. What a lame article. They also raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence, including the lack of fingerprints and eyewitness reports the place Said at the crime scene. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Justice is about uncovering the truth. A Florida mother, who allegedly lied to police that her son with autism was abducted by two black men, was charged with the child's murder, police said. The hearing of the motion for reduction of felony to misdemeanor will be held Tuesday, Oct. 11, at 1:30 p.m. in the Riverside Courthouse at 4050 Main St. in Department 42. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. She should have received the death penalty imo. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. Someone had shot Joann in the face with a .22-caliber pistol, then beaten her about the head hitting her 19 times in all with a blunt object. "The one thing I am guilty of is bringing the person who committed this crime to Vermont, and for that, I'm truly sorry" Allen Prue said in an apparent reference to his wife during his December sentencing. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Required fields are marked *. Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. Entries in Patricia Prue's journal included vague descriptions of a joint fantasy that she and Allen Prue shared and were looking to fulfill. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. A Texas father one of the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives wanted for the slayings of his two teen daughters was busted after more than 12 years on the run, the federal law enforcement agency announced. Ms. No show. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. Or did they? Patricia Wright is a prisoner in Central California Womens Facilitys Nursing Unit coping with an extraordinary array of challenges. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Your email address will not be published. We really thought she was dead all those years. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. Hair we go. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. And its been bad. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. Youre absolutely right!! (We didnt get into the specifics.). Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. 8/9/2022 Yaser Said was convicted of capital murder Tuesday in the 2008 fatal shootings of his two teenage daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Dial-a-problem. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. New state, new man. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 Everyone lies. Conflicting versions. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. Why not question some of this evidence? Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. He was happy. Patricia Kopta left behind a husband and siblings and meandered through northern Puerto Rico for a while before she was taken as a person in need to the adult Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? Jenkins' family left the courtroom without comment on Friday, but they hugged each other once the sentence was ordered. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. The prosecution alleged that after the murder, Patricia drove Joanns car to McCartys parking lot and backed it into a parking space. 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She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Because of these two prior offences, Patricia was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole under Californias Three Strikes Law. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. It seems so, according to you. I dont think so. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. None. Walmart woe. According to the autopsy report, Patricias husband, Jerome Scott, had only a few months to live because of a health problem involving a bloodless liver and pancreatic fibrosis. One on one? In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. After the guilty verdict was pronounced, the defense learned that a report from a state psychologist was not given to the jury. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. At that time he was living in Connecticut. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Owens called him "the devil" and said he deserved a punishment much tougher than life in prison. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. I wanted to get out of there.. Am I missing something? "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". Black said she was glad Said took the witness stand, giving her the chance to poke holes in his story, exposing him to everyone who has been watching this case. Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. Kidnapped and killed? On June 14, 1989, Patricia Wright and her 7-year-old son, Alfey, were riding in a car driven by family friend Lawrence Slaughter. Patricia Patricia Kopta, Pittsburgh street preacher missing since 1992, found alive in Puerto Rico A woman who was missing for more than 30 years has been found alive and at According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. Patricia had a violent past and was absolutely positively the killer. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. Thank you Kerry. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. (Ross Township Police Department). And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. I cant lose them, he told the media. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). Locked up. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. Jenkins' assailant Patricia Prue was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on Friday after deciding to plead guilty the day before to charges of aggravated attempted murder, kidnapping and conspiracy. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. "I don't have any mercy for that lady," Blasczyk said, referring to Patricia Prue. Incriminating words. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. Weak wages. Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. I have never seen anything this egregious in all my years.. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. Phone records dont lie.) Have a tip we should know? Her brother Larrys false confession was all the LAPD needed to put Patricia behind bars. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. Dance defense. After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. The Dallas County jury returned a guilty verdict on Tuesday following about three hours of deliberations at the end of the six-day trial. CHOOSE1s Three Strikes Reform Act needs 500,000 signatures by July 17 to make the November ballot, CHOOSE1 files new initiative to reform Californias Three Strikes law, The First Friday doc premieres this week at the New Parkway. . Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. Judge Richard T. Fields will be presiding over the case and Public Defender Ruby Ramirez will be representing Patricia for the Riverside County Public Defenders Office. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. Its totally irrelevant. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. Cop defends accused. Meticulous primping. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. WebTexas-born Patricia (Tissie) Said, the mother of the two girls, should long ago have been charged as an accomplice in their honor killing. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. Had there been a switch? The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. In your future life in prison I trust that not a day goes by in which you won't revisit your crime.". Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. The fact that Jerome was gay was left out of the trial altogether. The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. The trial was taking so much of my time. Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder. Alfey liked to look at model homes, so they decided to stop by an open house that was located at 13810 Redberry St. in Moreno Valley, California. According to Marsicovetere, state programs should be focused on intervening to help those with mental illnesses at the earliest point possible. WebPatricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. I noticed quite a few errors myself. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. I think shes guilty for sure. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL.
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