Thanks for some new information, excellent analysis of the photo! You can bet your life if someone was with them at that point, then they were the culprits who had something to do with the girls disappearance. Only returning them in hopes of getting the reward. The two friends were traveling home after spending New Year's Eve weekend at a bed and breakfast on the Panamanian island Isla Contadora on Jan. 3 when their small plane, piloted by the B&B owner, suffered an engine failure and crashed off the coast of Chame, according to friends and family. Im very impressed. Maybe you can find more answers about this horrible story. There seems to be no pictures of the dog. He threatened them with a machete, and led them to a sacrificial alter. Granted, other dangers certainly exist and thats why we can only speculate about what happened to them. Therefore we cannot conclude that a dog was even with them. Hard noncontroversial evidence is very limited and what there is is open to interpretation. I wonder if the two red objects are flowers? All of it couldve just gone away.? It will be interesting to see where the photos were actually taken. Its interesting to hear that you are considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. I would like to know the answer to that question also. To begin with his suggests either they walked into dense dark forest so there was no foto ops or it stopped being fun and started to become serious so somewhere not far beyond that stream did they met a fateful fork in the path which took them towards oblivion. This tribe was not located near the area where Kris and Lisanne disappeared, and therefore, in no way can be connected to the disappearance of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon. Of course, there are always exceptions. Hi Ray, thank you for your comment. 3. Its interesting numerous people have contacted me anonymously and informed me that there are already multiple existing research teams that are investigating this case privately. Perhaps this stranger had suggested he could guide them on a more interesting trail, or show them something interesting in the jungle. Just pressing the button to turn the screen on provides you with the relative information, ie, whether you have a signal or not. Possibly that info can help. And two months later, a pelvic bone and a foot - still inside a boot - were found in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. Could the red object be a bird? In the picture of her in the Cave? Do you or anyone else that you know of have any idea where in Panama this photo was taken? We do not know what other clothing or items they possibly took. This observation of yours is amazing, the girls could have stumbled upon something and been victims. Im impressed how you were able to see the other things in the photo. Nobody is safe. Minha Querida menina. But so much of this search/investigation was poorly executed. Photo link: Adrien McNaughton Was Surrounded by Family, He Left Behind Books He Wrote in Secret Code, The Door Was Open, and Baby Lisa Was Gone. And that looks to be a stocker style stand. So they hide a lot of the gang activity and downplay what happens, which exacerbates the problem. Occums razor. He has collected much that is out there but still the majority is second hand and we have no information as to the voracity. Despite the heat and humidity, Panamanians wear long pants and closed-toe shoes. On March 14, 2014, students LisanneFroon and Kris Kremers traveled from the Netherlands to Panama, where they intended toassistlocal communities, volunteerwith children, learnSpanish, and relax a bit. And if there would be any clue in them that the girls were hurt intentionally, the parents would not stop being vocal about it. But the blue was also something I noticed. Thanks and cheers. The abductor did not take their things because hes not a thief. This photo has been edited. If you find any additional information, please let me know. For the most part, foreigners are just caught in the middle. Heres more info: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/12/09/research-team-update-join-us/. The pictures taken were used to place Kris in pictures on the Mirador with Lisanne. Ive written about dozens of stories involving incompetence of law enforcement in disappearance cases. The red and black objects look like bolt cutters or tree cutter. Thanks for your consideration with this comment. I see orange spray paint markings on the base of the tree further in the cave to Kriss right. This is the reason that police, journalists and military personnel often disappear and governments struggle to combat crime, not to mention corruption within law enforcement itself. There are no discernible scratches of any kind on the bones, neither of natural nor cultural origin there are no marks on the bones at all. It is high noon and they have no way of telling which direction to go. Maybe they stumbled on a hidden stash of drugs or something wierd and were taking a photo of the location in order to report it to the police, but got caught before they could. Also right inside the cave looks like a fox or something similar is painted on the rock. March 3, 2023, 7:57 AM. I suspect some are aware of these things but want to cover it up. While I was reading over the story again, I decided to review their photos one more time. I would prefer to stay anonymous and off the website, so you have permission to use my email. However, the perpetrators likely wanted the authorities to believe they were taken on the pianista trail. What do you think? I also think that we are looking at man-made roof structure, but its not the last photo, right? But someone may not like it, so I hope that you will be very carefull! Jumping to conclusions too early, or on the basis of too little and incorrect information is likely to lead to the wrong conclusions. Its all speculation until more answers are found. Perhaps Kris is already caught in the trap and thats why she is in a funny position and her waist is drawn in tight. Your email address will not be published. Hi Chris, I agree that discussion should be civil but this comment section has turned into something which I consider to be absolutely ridiculous. It begins to rain. Do u know if this particular spot was apart of the trail they went on? I wish there were more answers to what happened. I believe one fell. Not to mention her hair was down in the photos at the beginning of the hike and now they appear to be in at least two pony tails where devil horns would be. What kind of twisted f*ck stick makes this kind of comment? Also I have read that during the time they tried to contact emergency services one phone connected albeit briefly. I agree w rope around waste thst wasnt there before, hair is completely down Aldo, shes in distree. If anything, that is an evidence that they were taking more risks than a regular tourist/hiker, so being lost and/or injured seems to me much more reasonable explanation (than murdered) based on that. The backpack and all the contents are so confusing. I think they knew too much and someone wanted them to be silenced forever. I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PIT PICTURE FOR YEARS, YOU CLEARLY SEE A GATELIKE STRUCTURE OVER THE PIT. Photoshopping is not hard to do nor is it very tactical as many have proposed here. Or locals found the bodies and stole the bag and items. Might look harmless and untouched which is why she is standing so close but then she is either caught or trapped in a booby trap lol. I dont know what Chris means by this, but at first I thought it was a wooden post sticking up from the ground and painted white at the top. Search shoe with foot in it found. Thats the very first thing that crossed my mind. 1. You ask good questions. https://photos.app.goo.gl/nVA1PDjjeVwULeo66. They provide a live accounting of missing-persons cases. No chance. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_JheETl6Obg. If you track the photos she takes her hair down around when she reached the top of the mountain and there are photos taken shortly after this showing her to be fine, in good spirits even. In the days following the students' disappearances, authorities conducted footand aerial searches. 4. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. It even appears they have some kind tattoo on their back. It looks like something hand-made. Hi Birgitte, thank you for your comment. The remains of two American women who went missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama a month ago have been recovered, officials said. To the right of the body is a cross fashioned out of two poles, as is customary in Panama. Make sure you contact someone with this info. Have you looked closely at what Chris has labelled the insignia. Im not expecting any major reveals from Pitti shell probably just reinforce her previous statements with more insights. They had plans to meet men there as their boyfriends.Check men they used to Date or seen. Her face is swollen from being hit, her neck is bleeding, multiple cuts all over plus you can see someone sitting on ground behind her watching. Apr 4, 2022 The number of international visitor arrivals in Panama surpassed the one million in 2021, after having plummeted to less than 700 thousand as a result of COVID-19 impact on tourism. I dont think so. From Chriss other article it seems the girls took a taxi to the hiking starting point? NOT A SINGLE ONE? Froon and Kremers were both in their early 20s; they traveled to Panama to work with children. I think someone took them there. Not getting any fingerprints looks suspect. Hi Mel, thanks for sharing. I do see the supports and I think thats manmade also. The alarm was initially raised about the disappearance of the girls after they missed a private walking tour of Boquete on April 2. Fortunately, I have that ability. The science can speak for itself. The bag contained her camera as well as two pairs of sunglasses, $83 in cash, Froons passport, a water bottle, two bras, and both womens phones. And she can only hope that Kris will wake up. Right hand is on her hip/slightly behind back, the left is hanging down on her side or in her pocket I cant tell. There are some walls of rock in an area which I think is called los Naranjos, not too far from the Pianista trail (relatively speaking) and is where people go climbing. It took us quite some time to get there.". But in numerous case there are adverse priorities that lead to incompetence in disappearance investigations. Life of a stay at home home. I wonder? The theories Ive read seem too far-fetched to be believable. But I see him in none of L&Ks photos. And the weird flesh colored thing hanging in the tree to her left could be a skinned animal. play. In a mind-blowing theory, Dick Steffens, a former detective in Amsterdam, claimed Kris could still be alive after she was trafficked into the sex trade by a kidnapper roaming in the jungle. That is the key. You mention the research team. Debra Ann Velleman, of Waukesha, Wis., and Sue L. Borries, of Teutopolis, Ill., are missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama on Jan. 3, 2022. There have been several mass graves uncovered there in the last year alone. But, then again this whole case is pretty unbelievable whether you believe they did or didnt meet foul play. The parallel side-supports would have been covered with leaves in order to make a suitable temporary roof. I believe that this case WILL be solved. Here are some ideas Ive speculated about. Theres not a lot of information about the gangs in the Boquete area. Its our fingerprints, the police say. Yes, you are correct that numerous communities do work hard to bring criminals to justice. What I have not found is concrete evidence of where they went. People usually have dogs for a mild form of protection. , I could be wrong but scanning through the comments didnt see some of these things being discussed, & thought Id put my 2 sense in! At the beginning of this video I think I see some blue dye/paint/powder on one of the mens legs and something blue on the floor. The link to the main page where I give complete details of the story: The True Story of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon 2 Girls That Disappeared in Panama. Tourists are usually only targeted when something goes wrong or someone has a specific personal problem with foreigners or a subset of foreigners. Another thing that crossed my mind is what if the backpack & items had been kept as like a trophy of the killings, & a local knew thats what it was aware of the incident & grabbed it & left it somewhere to be found to try & help shed light on the case the best way they could. I lean towards the third-party theory although I recognize the conflicting aspects of that theory. Dutch tourists in Panama Two Dutch tourists Kris Lemers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22 disappeared while out on a hike in Panama in April 2004. I was looking at the photographs again and something caught my eye. Even the cheap pair of sunglasses are in perfect condition. Just behind her tied hand area. In the Americas, more than 6,200 people have been reported dead or missing during migration since 2014. I would like to know their movements precisely from arriving in Boquete. Should have read this before I commented lol. The circular part looks like vines to me, but the portion in the middle has potential to be a cow skull. In all of the photos, there is zero evidence to suggest that the dog was truly with the girls on their hike into the forest. I think Juan is actively trying to protect this human trafficking agency. You would write something out on notepad or at least be texting everyone in your address book hoping one got through saying Help. Theres a lot more information needed to make conclusions. Is there a head count of how many people have perished using the hiking trail in, say the last 10 years? Perhaps the truth will come out someday. However, if Continuous mode was in use then even if 509 was deleted, the next image will be 510. P.S. THANK GOD SOMEONE IS SEEING WHAT I SEE. Its so cold. I did not cover all of the accidents and trials and tribulations along the way leading to their death.Jim. Very interesting and completely changed my mind. Such a tragedy. The girls phone records later showed that they started making their initial distress calls on their cell phones approximately 2 hours and 45 minutes after their last known daytime photo (Photo 508). People have long realized that its up to the public to solve this. One or more abductor did know the phone PIN but not all people involved knew. In fact, to bring a dog for a walk is less common in general, because most dogs are permitted to go outside anytime they want. And why? On one website, almost every user is convinced, that all the daylight pictures were photoshopped, even this one here, No.505. I dont really speculate much with psychic readings or energy. They maintained a great deal of secrecy and privacy and never officially published any information. Most of the bones were never found. Bright sunlight is coming in from the left side of the photo, so Kris holds her flattened right hand up to her face to shield her eyes, similar to a salute. Most of the pictures taken on April 8 are of complete darkness while some show the jungle floor, but two pictures are alarming: one is a picture of some of the girls belongings on a rock, and the other shows the back of Kremerss head with what appears to be a bloodstain in her hair. December 20, 2022. I think the most important photos were not the daytime ones; I think the most important photos were some of the legible nighttime ones. Do the additional photos reveal anything more? Maybe the girls were not so clever at tech but they did not leave voice or video memos to document their predicament not goodbye messages for family. US Is Europe's No. Maybe someone had her in there sitting on the rock, and she heard them coming back and got up quickly to turn around. I am assuming that the rock painting you refer to is the round orange patch on the right. That is not a cave or a ravine behind her. Here is what bothers me about this event. Again, I stress that these kind of murder cases are frequently shut down by the media of the country at the direction of the government. Certainly, each country around the world offers valuable experiences in their own way. The backpack being found with all its contents including money and not even dirty let alone wet after weeks of constant rain-found a day after the area was checked. Once they examined the phones, investigators unraveled a confusing and grim timeline. The causes of Kremerss and Froons tragic death have never been determined and the two bodies that were recovered have not even been conclusively found to be either of the girls. Since they were two young women from Europe, I can easily see the possibility that they offended the wrong man. You have to look hard. The rich live in gated communities. Why not just kill them and leave it be? Were trying to raise $5,000 for gear, security, transportation and food. "Those flash floods made staging scenes or strategically placing items impossible.". Also theres a distinct small x made of branches or plastic in the top-mid right corner of the pic amongst the foliage that looks a part of the make shift roof/net. The backpack had no scratches, no marks, the camera and mobile phones inside are as good as new. Her right hand is clearly raised in front of her shading her face from the sunlight. My husband is a mountain climber and when hes out, the mountain rescue flys multiple times a day because hikers overestimate their abilities in the german Alps, not anywhere in the jungle. Also there is a consistency to the timing of SOS attempts occurring two times each day +/ a few minutes of the exact same time. I think that she has her hand to her ear,she looks like she is trying to hear what someone is saying,and also,the light is in her eyes;.It looks like she has twisted herself around in doing so. The blood on her leg is, again, a shadow. I created this graphic and highlighted the unusual items that seemed peculiar to me: In this photo of what looks like a cave or overgrown ravine, there are numerous possible items that suggest this place had been visited by other people. Why were they still in the jungle at 4:39 PM when they made their first distress call? A disturbing set of photographs are at the center of a mystery of the disappearance and death of two young women in Panama and local authorities are currently bewildered by a conspicuously missing photo file on their SD card. I agree with you that what happened is not some misadventure. In a chilling discovery, 90 photos had been snapped on the camera deep in the jungle in the dead of night on April 8 between 1am and 4am - raising questions about who took the pictures. Hi Chris thanks for the link to the book. Some people believe the two girls got lost lost, some people believe the third-party theory and some people have mixed theories. At that time, she had her phone. It holds a bad energy. So, their work was good but not perfect. It may be a plant, but it appears to have a definitive shape and its oddly located that the very center of the path with no other visible red things in the trees. exactly, you are very right about the shape of her arms and facial expression. This is something I will surely investigate more and write about in the future. CARACAS, Venezuela -- Few Venezuela ns have not had their lives touched by migration over the last decade, when more than 7 million people left the country amid a political . Please remember to be considerate of the two girls that lost their lives and their families. Yo veo en el fondo de la foto 506, adjunto al muslo, la pierna y el pie izquierdo de Kris, una silueta de un hombre joven, con sombrero de copa alta y ala ancha (al estilo de los sheriff norteamericanos), con una manta blanca sobre sus hombros,tronco y brazos y un rifle o escopeta en posicin horizontal sobre sus manos. In 2014 Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, both from the Netherlands were traveling and exploring the Central American country of Panama. It is possible for incompetence to work in conjunction with interests to protect key industries. An explosion in tourism has saved Iceland's economy. Again NO SIGNAL! "This is a nightmare with 1,001 demons," says 40-year-old Oscar, who is from Colombia but was living in Bolivia. Eight tourists from Moscow who. Likelihood the predator will strike again: 99.9% unless predator has died. In Latin America, it is as common as drinking coffee. He even found pictures of the suspect and a local model wearing Kriss blue shirt right after the disappearance. One could argue that the inherent risk of traveling to under-developed countries is exciting for the reason that theres potential danger and less authoritative control. What I DO see is a very definite path. As you mention, she is blocking the sun with her hand and keeping her head down. Most novices wouldnt know how to properly handle something like this, so it was probably someone experienced with computers. Hi JW, yes I agree with you about many things. Often, they. Btw, phones will connect to emergency services with or without sim card being present. Then I downloaded the photo and opened it up in my graphics editor. If you watch the four part video of the entire trail beyond the Mirador you will see exactly where this photo was taken, and there is not a cave or ledge or ravine anywhere near her. Snoeren and West believe that flash floods, which are typical to that area, would make strategically placing items impossible. If someone had access to their phones, they might have deleted them. (this was enhanced by an AI as someone who has studied this sort of thing professionally, explains some of the distortions and weird patterns in the photos leaves and vines, the AI distorted her face lol and it made it appear she has no arm from the elbow down). There was enough evidence in this investigation to solve the case and possibly find Kris and Lisanne while they were alive. Perhaps that is where this photo was taken and a search should be done there. Update Dec 2, 2021: The full-resolution version of this photo was released in 2021. Sue Borries and Debra Ann Velleman are pictured in undated composite image. The blue thing on the ground looks like a blue tarp and that looks like a corner sticking out. Keep in mind nobody has seen all of the photos and we dont know why. Take care. I have spent a lifetime walking in the forest near my home and I dont see the odd things that people see. Missing Lynn Haven juveniles. The Velleman family had been in touch with several Wisconsin and Illinois representatives as they sought assistance from the U.S. government in the search and recovery effort. They protested in China - now they've gone missing. Like jaguar? They could have been a target early on. I dont buy it that those girls were murdered on the pianista trail. Although it might be the sun that gives her face a strange expression. Debra Ann Velleman, of Waukesha, Wis., and Sue L. Borries, of Teutopolis, Ill., are missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama on Jan. 3, 2022. I dont see what the writer sees at all. Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your interest in the case. Do mobile phones store the number entered? Their families went to the police to. So why did they go on a trip on April 1st?
